Will Joaquin Phoenix’s Joker Fight Batman In A Joker 3 Movie?

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With Joker: Folie à Deux inching closer to its release, fans have realised that Batman isn’t a part of this Joker’s story. This has raised many questions about whether we will ever get to see Joaquin Phoenix’s Joker facing off against Batman and whether it is even a good idea to make it happen in a Joker 3 movie.

Joaquin Phoenix’s Arthur Fleck became the Joker through some influence from the Wayne family on his mother, but this turned out to just be a misunderstanding and a momentary “pitstop”, if you will, on his journey to becoming this killer clown, and a symbol of anarchy within Gotham. He exists independently from Batman because Bruce Wayne only lost his parents, which is the experience that caused the series of events that led to him becoming Batman, at the end of the movie. In a way, Joker flipped the script, and Joker inadvertently made Batman, but how does the story go?

Canonically, both Batman and the Penguin had a crucial role in “creating” the Joker. Exactly how he became the Joker in the comics, and his identity before it, is pretty much a mystery – except that the Penguin tipped Batman off about a big criminal operation that was taking place under Falcone, which Batman busted and arrested most of the criminals. However, “one of the lesser goons slips and falls into a vat of boiling green chemicals.” This is inadvertently the series of events that creates his most formidable nemesis, the Joker. With this exciting loop of ‘who creates who’, it’s a conundrum, but if the two movies of Joaquin Phoenix’s Joker clearly exist without any influence of Batman, director and writer Todd Phillips has managed to make it happen.

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The short answer is that this Joker exists without the influence of Batman. Because the whole idea is how this Joker came to be because of his own circumstances and impoverished life in Gotham, introducing Batman and having the two fight wouldn’t work for a couple of reasons.

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