Thomas Wayne's death has always spurred on Bruce Wayne's metamorphosis into Batman, but in both Joker and The Batman, the elder Wayne is a much less admirable character. Batman's origin story is of course one of the most well-known in superhero history, perhaps only rivaled by those of Superman and Spider-Man. While details change here and there, the basic idea usually remains the same: Bruce Wayne's life is shattered as a young boy when a criminal guns down his parents in a dark alley.
Bruce is then raised by Wayne family butler Alfred Pennyworth, who teaches Bruce how to defend himself and tries his best to instill good moral character upon his charge. Inspired by the perceived moral righteousness of his rich but notably philanthropic parents Thomas and Martha, Bruce eventually becomes Batman, Gotham City's nocturnal protector. Bruce feels his crusade against crime is effectively an extension of his parents' desire to help people and improve Gotham into a city its residents can be proud of.
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This near-saintly portrayal of Thomas and Martha Wayne held true for all Batman or Gotham City-related movies until 2019's Joker solo movie turned Thomas' traditional characterization on its head. The ruthlessly ambitious Thomas Wayne found inJoker was far from a benevolent character, seemingly willing to do whatever it took to gain power, even tossing aside his apparent illegitimate son Arthur Fleck. Now, The Batman has also chosen to cast Thomas Wayne in a similar light, making him an associate of mob boss Carmine Falcone, and again someone who values his own ambitions above morality.
While the respective creative teams of The Batman and Joker would of
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